Ultralife Corporation’s (ULBI) CEO Michael Popielec on Q2 2020 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Ultralife Corporation (NASDAQ:ULBI) Q2 2020 Earnings Conference Call July 30, 2020 8:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Jody Burfening – Lippert/Heilshorn & Associates, Inc.

Michael D. Popielec – CEO and President

Philip A. Fain – CFO, Treasurer, and Corporate Secretary

Conference Call Participants

Gary Siperstein – Eliot Rose Asset Management

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Ultralife Corporation Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I’d like to turn the call over to Ms. Jody Burfening. Please go ahead.

Jody Burfening

Thank you, Anita and good morning everyone and thank you for joining us this morning for Ultralife Corporation’s Earnings Conference Call for the second quarter of fiscal 2020. With us on today’s call are Mike Popielec, Ultralife’s President and CEO, and Phil Fain, Ultralife’s Chief Financial Officer. The earnings press release was issued earlier this morning. If anyone has not yet received a copy, I invite you to visit the company’s website ultralifecorporation.com, where you’ll find the release under Investor News in the Investor Relations section.

Before turning the call over to management, I would like to remind everyone that some statements made during this conference call contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results could differ materially from those projected as a result of various risks and uncertainties. These include potential reductions in revenues from key customers, uncertain global economic conditions, and acceptance of new products on a global basis. The company cautions investors not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, which reflect the company’s analysis only as of today’s date. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Further information on these and other factors that could affect Ultralife’s financial results is included in Ultralife’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the latest annual report on Form 10-K and latest quarterly report on Form 10-Q. In addition, on today’s call, management will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures that management considers to be useful metrics and differ from GAAP. These non-GAAP measures should be considered as supplemental to corresponding GAAP figures. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Mike. Good morning, Mike.

Michael D. Popielec

Good morning, Jody and thank you everyone for joining the call. Today I’ll start by making some brief overall comments about our Q2 2020 operating performance, after which I’ll turn the call over to Phil who will take you through the detailed financial results. When Phil is finished, I’ll provide an update on the progress against our 2020 revenue initiatives, and then open it up for questions.

For the second quarter of 2020, in the face of ongoing market, supply chain and operational headwinds due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Battery & Energy Products core revenues were up organically 23% year-over-year, driven by strong increases in both our medical and government defense revenues. When combined with the three acquisition revenues, B&E nearly fully offset the expected decline in Communication Systems year-over-year quarterly revenues, as existing Communication Systems contracts under the U.S. Army’s network modernization initiatives reach completion. Total company Q2 revenues were within 3% of the prior year and Q2 adjusted earnings per share were $0.13 per share. The team built on the momentum from Q1 and delivered solid sequential improvements in revenue, up over 10% quarter-to-quarter and operating profit and earnings per share each up over 55% quarter-to-quarter.

Regarding the COVID impact, as an essential supplier to the end-markets in which we serve, our workforce make quick adjustments to customer changes, such that the areas in Q2 where COVID issues result in a revenue decreases were almost entirely offset by areas where COVID demand led to revenue increases. This resulted in a relatively neutral net financial effect in terms of revenue and operating profit. Although difficult to quantify, the other areas where we saw an impact from COVID was a lengthening in time to receive supplier and customer responses to complete transaction processes, as well as in the customer testing the new products, which is understandable given the large mix of people working out of their homes versus their work offices and/or testing facilities. In a few minutes, I’ll give you further information on our revenue initiatives but first, I’d like to ask Ultralife’s CFO, Phil Fain, to take you through additional details of the second quarter 2020 financial performance. Phil?

Philip A. Fain

Thank you, Mike, and good morning everyone. Earlier this morning we released our second quarter results for the quarter ended June 30, 2020. We also filed our Form 10-Q and Form 8-K with the SEC this morning and have our updated our investor presentation, which you can find in the Investor Relations section of our website. I would like to thank all those that helped make this happen. For the second quarter, consolidated revenues totaled $28.6 million, representing a $0.8 million or 2.8% decrease from the $29.41 million reported for the second quarter of 2019. The year-over-year variances reflect a significant increase in battery sales across diversified end markets, offset by lower communication systems sales, reflecting the completion of contracts. We estimate that the net financial impact of COVID-19 was neutral to our financial results for the second quarter.

Revenues from our Battery & Energy Products segment were $24.0 million, an increase of 18.4% over last year attributable to a 71.7% increase in medical battery sales, and a 49.8% increase in government defense sales, partially offset by a 33.7% decline in oil and gas market sales. U.S. government and defense sales for the second quarter were at the highest quarterly level in over five years. The sales split between commercial and government and defense was 67/33, compared to 74/26 for the 2019 second quarter, and the domestic to international split was 59/41, compared to 53/47 last year, driven by the higher domestic government and defense sales. Revenues from our Communication Systems segment were $4.5 million, a decrease of 50.3% from last year. The decrease reflects higher 2019 shipments of mounted power amplifiers to support the U.S. Army’s network modernization initiatives under delivery orders announced in October 2018. These contracts were completed in the second quarter of 2020.

On a consolidated basis, commercial sales increased 7.5% and government defense sales decreased 13.7% from the 2019 period. The commercial to government defense sales split was 57/43 versus 51/49 for the year-earlier period, demonstrating the continued success of our revenue diversification strategy. Our consolidated gross profit was $8.0 million, compared to $8.9 million for the 2019 period. As a percentage of total revenues, consolidated gross margin was 27.9% versus 30.2% for last year’s second quarter. Gross profit for our Battery & Energy Products business increased 6.6% to $6.0 million, from $5.7 million. Gross margin was 25.1%, a decrease of 280 basis points from 27.9% reported last year, reflecting incremental costs in 2020 associated with the transition of a multitude of new products to higher volume production. For our Communication Systems segment, gross profit was $1.9 million, a decrease of $1.3 million or 39.7%, compared to $3.2 million for the year-earlier period. Gross margin of 42.8% improved 750 basis points from 35.3% last year, primarily due to efficiencies and improved productivity in the production of vehicle amplifier-adaptor systems for the U.S. Army.

Operating expenses totaled $5.7 million compared to $5.8 million last year, a decrease of 2.6%. Non-recurring expenses of $0.2 million for the acquisition of SWE were included in the second quarter of 2019. As a percentage of revenues, operating expenses were 19.8% for both the 2020 and 2019 periods. Operating income for the second quarter of 2020 was $2.3 million compared to $3.0 million for the 2019 period, a 24.6% decline, reflecting the flow-through of lower year-over-year sales for Communication Systems. And operating margin was 8.0% for the 2020 period versus 10.3% last year, driven by the lower gross margin for our Battery business. Adjusted EBITDA, defined as EBITDA, including non-cash stock-based compensation expense was $3.3 million or 11.6% of sales, compared to $4.1 million or 13.9% for the 2019 second quarter. On a trailing 12-month basis, adjusted EBITDA is $11.6 million or 10.2% of sales.

Our tax provision for the second quarter was $499,000, compared to $676,000 for the 2019 period, computed at statutory rates while excluding the benefits of our net operating losses and tax credit carry forwards for GAAP reporting purposes. Accordingly, our reported tax provision for the second quarter is based on an effective rate of 22.9%, while utilization of our deferred tax assets will drive the tax provision down to $108,000 or 5.0% while we actually pay our taxes. We expect that the net operating losses and tax credits included in our deferred taxes will offset all U.S. taxes for the foreseeable future. Including the interest expense and debt incurred to fund our 2019 SWE acquisition and using the 22.9% effective tax rate, net income was $1.7 million or $0.10 per share on a diluted basis for the 2020 second quarter. This compares to net income of $2.7 million or $0.14 per share on a diluted basis for 2019.

We utilized adjusted EPS to reflect actual cash taxes paid or to be paid and defined adjusted EPS as EPS, excluding the provision for non-cash U.S. taxes, expected to be fully offset by our net operating loss carry-forwards and other tax credits. As noted in the supplementary table in our earnings release, adjusted EPS on a diluted basis was $0.13 per share for the 2020 second quarter, compared to $0.18 for the 2019 second quarter. For the first six months of 2020, fully diluted adjusted EPS of $0.21 was up 4% over 2019. Ultralife ended the quarter with a strengthened balance sheet and enhanced liquidity, with cash on hand of $8.4 million, working capital of $50.5 million, and a current ratio of 4.5.

During the second quarter, we utilized cash generated from strong EBITDA, accounts receivable collections, and inventory reductions to reduce our debt by $6.1 million or 36.1%, and our accounts payable balance by $4.0 million or 33.8% since the end of the first quarter. We also deployed our increased operating cash flow for investments in test equipment to meet the increased demand for our power supplies for ventilators, respirators, and infusion pumps. As we navigate through these challenging times, we intend to carefully manage our liquidity to fund organic new product development, strategic capital expenditures and M&A, while further reducing our debt. As a result, we remain well-positioned to weather the storm, while continuing to invest in growth initiatives and staying focused on releasing the full leverage potential of our business model. I will now turn it back to Mike.

Michael D. Popielec

Thank you, Phil. During the quarter, we continued to advance our revenue growth strategy, which presently consists of the following three elements; market and sales reach expansion primarily through diversification, new product development and multi-generational product planning with strategic CAPEX when appropriate to drive competitive advantage, and a disciplined approach to acquisitions to quickly gain scale and obtain market access, technology, new products, and skilled resources.

At our Battery & Energy Products business, market and sales reach expansion is about diversifying more into the global commercial and international government defense markets to lessen our revenue fluctuation, as a result of lumpiness in our core U.S. government defense business. One of our first commercial diversification focus areas was medical, an end-market of mission-critical niche applications, competitive differentiation based on quality and reliability, and long-term high-value proposition customer relationships. When we initiated our diversification strategy in 2011, medical represented approximately 3% of total company sales. In Q2 2020, it represented approximately 33% of total company sales. We continue to be the beneficiary of our diversification in the medical, as we currently find our battery and charger products well positioned in devices serving several critical areas of a current COVID-19 crisis. We saw particularly strong demand from existing customers for applications and ventilators, respirators and infusion pumps.

In Q2 2020, our medical revenues were up over 70% year-over-year, bringing our nine-year medical revenue compounded annual growth rates to 33%, including the acquisition of Accutronics in January of 2016. In fact, Accutronics saw record revenues in Q2 2020, up 45% year-over-year driven by strong demand for its medical battery packs. Looking more closely at Q2 2020, core business key medical devices, battery and charger product shipments, were made for a wide range of applications including breathing devices, infusion pumps, digital X-ray, and surgical robots. We also received new delivery orders for existing customer blanket and/or multiyear agreements, which totaled $2.1 million.

Regarding Southwest Electronic Energy Corporation or SWE, acquired in May of 2019, in addition to shipping its core oil and gas and subsea electrification products, during Q2 the talented SWE team stepped up to successfully manufacture and deliver on a short cycle turnaround $1.7 million in medical battery packs for a respirator application serving the COVID-19 response. This also included part of a $1 million follow-on order which will be completed in Q3. Not only did SWE fulfill a key customer need, they also demonstrated their capability in medical products, thereby expanding further our revenue growth opportunities in medical end markets. For the recently completed Q2, its fourth complete quarter as part of our Ultralife, the SWE acquisition provided 17% of total company sales and was once again EPS accretive. At B&E, with the strong contribution of medical and now including SWE, our global commercial and international government defense market revenue mix represented 59% of our total company sales, a solid indication of the diversification which has helped us mitigate the lumpiness and unpredictability in B&E revenues from the U.S. government’s defense market.

Finally, regarding B&E’s U.S. government defense customers, which includes transaction directly to the various DOD entities, as well as through OEM Primes, in Q2 2020, revenue was up 55% year-over-year and represented approximately 25% of total company sales. In addition to solid OEM radiobiology shipments, during Q2 we began shipping the recent $4.8 million, 5390 DLA spot buy award with the balance expected to ship throughout Q3 and Q4. We also received a small follow-on five-year IDIQ Award for our 9 Volt battery, with the maximum value of approximately $900,000. Looking ahead, the next-generation 5390 and 5790 primary batteries under the $21 million and $49 million DLA IDIQ Awards respectively, are now entering battery build for the final first article testing, which is expected to begin in the August-September timeframe. New product development and multiple generation of product planning remains a fundamental part of our organic growth strategy. Not only does this keep our products current with market needs, it also gives us the opportunity to collaborate and remain close with our customers and provide value add.

Looking at Battery & Energy Products from a new product development perspective, in Q2 2020 15% of revenues were from products introduced less than or equal to three years ago. In the second quarter of 2020 progress was made across numerous projects with examples including continued shipments of our first public safety radio batteries, with two additional public safety batteries entering production in Q3, starting production and shipments of a new digital X-ray battery, finalizing the validation of a new ventilator battery pack expected to start low volume production in Q3, and shipping the first 60,000 Thincell batteries for a vital signs monitoring application. We also continue to deploy strategic CAPEX to bolster our competitive differentiation. In our Newark, New York, USA, facility where our $4.3 million capital investment is underway, in Q2 we successfully completed UN testing of our new premium 3 Volt product, low volume production is underway and we began shipping more samples to customers. Today, we have shipped samples to over a dozen initial potential customers and we expect this number will continue to ramp up in Q3 and Q4.

Our initial single shift capacity is approximately 1 million cells per year, with the planned line enhancements still underway and expansion to a multi-ship operation, we expect our capability to increase to almost ten times that amount within the year. This new product provides customers with world-class product performance, safety and a competitive price-value proposition as well as a supply chain proximity and quality of being made in the USA. It will serve the rapidly growing IoT wireless devices market, as well as next-generation 3 Volt smoke alarms, asset tracking devices, and metering. With some initial cell applications targeting specialized illumination and medical applications, we are also very excited about the opportunity to offer customers new customized battery packs incorporating this new 3 Volt cell. Separately in China, we also have a new locally manufactured lithium manganese dioxide 3 Volt cell, which is now shipping to global customers.

We continue to make progress on our plan of chloride cell upgrade project in China, involving numerous process improvements which will help us expand our total available market with newly identified commercial and industrial applications. Also included, our updates to our cell-formulations and designs, equipment and facilities. Samples of the new high-rate products began shipping to customers at the end of Q2, with the low-rate products expected to start sampling in Q3. Our goal is to produce the highest value proposition, best quality and safest products in which every one of our global locations best serves the supply chain of a particular end-market and our OEM customer. At Communication Systems in Q2 2020, new product development revenue from products less than or equal to three years old represented approximately 63% of Communication Systems revenues, including final shipments of vehicle amplifier adapters and power amplifiers for the U.S. Army’s network modernization initiatives from previously awarded contracts. Bottom line contract opportunities are anticipated later in 2020 and/or into 2021, after operational tests and evaluations are conducted by the U.S. Army’s Handheld, Manpack and Small Form Fit and Leader Radio programs. Looking ahead, Communication Systems remains positioned well for these opportunities within the domestic military radio market, through partnerships with prime radio OEMs and by providing products supporting both single and two channel Handheld and Manpack ancillaries and integrated state-of-the-art solutions.

Regarding the system integration of cutting-edge server technology discussed during the last few earnings calls, throughout Q2 Communication Systems has advanced the development and building of system integration components. We have delivered three variants to support a broad range of operational requirements, from a small technical team support to full command center integration. These systems are undergoing evaluation and testing with potential customers and initial fielding of sold units. A new initiative for a dismounted configuration is moving from concept to design activities, with discussions ongoing with stakeholders and wholesaler potential for a broad array of commercial and government applications. Communication Systems continues to be optimistic in this emerging growth area and OEM relationships, as expected demand increases throughout 2020.

Overall, OEM engagement for Communication Systems remains the highest priority and continues to be strong, providing ample new product development initiatives for integrated systems and amplifier platforms, product support for fielded products, and new business development to meet emerging radio capabilities being fielded globally. In closing, in Q2 of 2020 we were delighted that with a carry-over from Q1 of the operating complexity and market uncertainty related to the COVID-19 pandemic, our employees globally remain safe, stayed focused, and delivered improved revenue, operating profit and EPS over the first quarter. For the first half, total company operating profit is up year-over-year by 5%, while the year-to-date total company year-over-year revenue is up over 12%, and first half adjusted EPS is up 4%. Obviously, the ongoing COVID-19 breakout brings a significant amount of market uncertainty and supply chain challenges. That said, as demonstrated in the first half, the teams are working hard to overcome the hurdles and have positioned us to continue to strive for another year of profitable growth in 2020.

Looking forward, with the initial announced tranches of the Communication System contracts for the U.S. Army’s network modernization initiatives completed, the near-term focus will be on pursuing follow-on and new program awards and a number of smaller transactions while targeting several new active OEM Manpack radio projects, several integrated computing solution opportunities, as well as developing next-generation amplifier prototypes. At B&E due to the COVID-19 response, we see the present surge in medical revenue continuing near-term, which is helping to offset the current softness in our oil and gas revenues. Activity levels overall from the various Defense Department contracting channels and global OEM primes remain positive. Through the end of this year and into next year, we are also very excited to realize the increasing impact of other new revenue streams coming online, such as from new public safety radio battery packs, the new 3 Volt product line, the new ER product line, the smart UN battery product. The 5790 CFX blend primary battery and several other new Thincell, medical, and subsea electrification application battery packs.

The COVID-19 pandemic not withstanding we aim to grow the business with profitable revenues each and every year. We like the fundamental nature of the main industries we serve military defense, energy, and medical and believe that these end markets provide us with a level of durability and resiliency in good times and bad. In fact on an annual basis, the last five years running, we’ve achieved both revenue and operating profit year-over-year increases and we are targeting efforts to do so again in 2020 despite the coronavirus. We will continue to develop new products that support new revenue streams, and we will continue to pursue acquisitions where we can quickly gain scale and achieve further operating profit leverage. We are fortunate that our strong balance sheet, solid cash flow from operations, proven integration methodology, and this put into our business model give us this flexibility. Operator, this concludes my prepared remarks and we’d be happy to open up the call for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And now, we will take our first question from Gary Siperstein from Eliot Rose Wealth Management. Please go ahead.

Gary Siperstein

Hi, good morning guys. Congratulations on another solid quarter.

Philip A. Fain

Thank you.

Gary Siperstein

My first question is, I’ve been on some conference calls for some of the prime defense contractors and that said on various calls, this is more than one company that they had been able to get from DoD some reimbursement on COVID expenses. I know you’re not a prime contractor but have you been able to get any compensation for your COVID expenses, I think they cost you $0.03 in the first quarter?

Philip A. Fain

Yeah, that’s correct, Gary. We reported $0.08 of EPS in the first quarter and it cost us $0.03. COVID cost us $0.03. The $0.03 that we speak of is most directly associated with the five-week shutdown of our China operation. And it was unabsorbed overhead and all of the expenses of keeping the facility intact with nobody able to do any work. So we’re not going to getting any reimbursements from the U.S. Department of Defense regarding that. Where the U.S. Department of Defense has been extremely helpful is the timing of their reimbursements and the direct contracts that we have with the DOD. The payments as — I think we may have talked about this before, usually we expect 30 days. We’re seeing reimbursement in a much quicker pace than that, which is always greatly appreciated. But that is really the extent of the assistance that we’re receiving in addition to the plethora of orders that we’ve seen coming through.

Gary Siperstein

Okay. And they’ve also mentioned on some of these calls with the primes that there are subcontractors, I guess as you just mentioned that sell directly to the DoD but these primes are paying their subcontractors much quicker. Are you seeing that also from some of your customers in addition from DOD?

Philip A. Fain

Yes, we are definitely because when you’re producing a product for a critical application, rule one is keeping your supply chain intact from the customer’s standpoint and they’re certainly able to do that and it puts us in a position where we’re able to keep a positive cash GAAP which is always the goal of a prudent careful cash management.

Gary Siperstein

Okay. And I know you had your hands full with COVID and digesting SWE, but I’m just curious what the pipeline looks like on M&A, have prices come down, are you seeing more companies that blocked previously due to price getting more realistic, and have more companies come on the market for sale in light of the recession and COVID?

Michael D. Popielec

Yeah, this is Mike, we’re still very active in the M&A area. We have multiple discussions given in any given time. We continue to look for companies that the day two of after we own them they’ll still continue to grow organically. There’s a clear roadmap to return and exceeding of our existing operating margin rate that are EPS accretive in the first year and that there is a reasonable return on investment overall. And so applying that criteria, we continue to be very active, multiple discussions in any given time, and as I’ve mentioned I think on previous calls that it takes several years to get somebody to actually get to the point where they’re willing to sell. But we like our position. We like our profitability. We like our cash flow. We like our access to capital and we’re certainly very, very interested in doing acquisitions and we don’t have anything to announce today and we wouldn’t until we’re actually in a position to close and having closed the deal before we make an announcement, but it’s still a very important part of our overall growth strategy.

Gary Siperstein

Okay, thank you. And in terms of the balance sheet, you guys have done a marvelous job on that. It seems like in the first six months of the year cash is up about a million bucks, payables are down about a million to million and a half and long-term debts almost down $7 million. Cash is just about equal to long term debt. With that being said, is there any appetite for stock buybacks with the stock trading at book value, with that solid first half?

Michael D. Popielec

No, our options continue to be on the table, Gary. We have said before, sort of our priorities are for organic growth first including CAPEX, acquisitions, as we just talked about what our interest were, and that if we still should have excess funds available that we don’t want to have sit idle we would consider stock buybacks. But at this point we’re not talking about anything like that.

Gary Siperstein

It’s been a while Mike since we’ve had any announcements on major contracts, I mean, you did have the major contract with Thales and then a year or two or two ago or couple of years ago, you had a bunch of IDIQs in a row, but it’s been quiet since then. You’ve mentioned smaller orders here and there. What does the pipeline look like on potentially larger contract awards and announcements?

Michael D. Popielec

I mean it’s a good plan. I mean I was looking back and there were specific announcements in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and a lot of those were IDIQs. And I think those are obviously the first step in terms of getting revenues from one of our largest customers being the DoD, but I think another really important aspect of that is, is that it really doesn’t count against the ledger until we actually ship revenue against it. So whereas we — I think we have right now close to $100 million of IDIQs, our intense focus is on getting those throughout the first article testing and all the other requirements of the government so that we start getting delivering orders and showing revenue. That being said, we have some large projects that we’ve talked about in my prepared remarks, particularly for Communication Systems and we don’t have any clear visibility to exact timing of when those contracts would hit. There’s something we spend a lot of our time on. So we would anticipate larger contracts in the future. But in the meantime, we’re trying to deliver for revenue realization the ones that we have.

Gary Siperstein

Okay, thanks for that. And finally, just a little bit of commentary on my part. I just want to congratulate you guys for doing an amazing job these last five years through thick and thin, the economy is up and down, the DoD fickleness, and now COVID, you guys have managed to increase revenues, increase earnings, increase book value, mind the balance sheet, etcetera wonderfully for the last five years. But that being said, we’re trading at book value where we have $0.21 in six months earnings, $0.24 adjusted for COVID. We’re annualizing over $0.40 in earnings, should be at $0.41 last year. Next year the IDIQ as you mentioned $100 million, the IDIQs would start contributing. Next year, 3 Volt will start contributing, next year, the Internet of Things will start contributing, next year the Leader Radio could go into full production from the LRIPs that it’s going on now. So you’re trading at like a 15, 16 current PE in the stock market that has a 21 PE with the S&P. And one could reasonably conclude with all those things I mentioned starting to contribute starting next year in a post-COVID environment where $0.50 to $0.60 in earnings or more is possible in 2021-2022, which would put us at about a 12 PE.

So, while I give you kudos on what you’ve done and accomplished, I think you guys have done a horrible job on Investor Relations, with all this potential and all the success over the last five years this stock shouldn’t be trading at book at 12 times forward earnings. So, I think you guys could seriously consider a new IR firm, you should consider getting an investment banker, you should consider hiring possibly a full time IR person, and you should start attending these virtual conferences where you don’t even have to travel. You’re part of the Russell 2000 now. You’re competing with 1999 other public companies that are looking for investor attention. So just to get a fair valuation on your company, I think as a function of getting that investor attention and besides the 2000 companies in Russell 2000, there’s another 5,000 or 10,000 other publicly traded small companies. So, I think if you picked up that effort, we would have a much better valuation on the company which would give you guys, first of all, it’d be nice for your shareholders to have the company properly valued for all you’ve accomplished and all the potential, but also obviously having the currency at a higher valuation, it gives you more options with M&A. So, I hope you’d consider some of those ideas.

Michael D. Popielec

Thank you very much. Really appreciate the input Gary.

Gary Siperstein

Alright, guys. Thanks very much and congratulations again.

Michael D. Popielec

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. It appears there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Popielec, I’d like to turn the call back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Michael D. Popielec

Alright, operator. Thank you very much and thank you once again for joining us for our second quarter 2020 earnings call. We look forward to sharing with you our quarterly progress in each quarter’s conference call in the future. As Phil noted and I’d also like to note that we updated our investor presentation on our website. So, please check that out and everybody have a safe and a great day.

Operator

This concludes today’s call. Thank you for your participation, you may now disconnect.

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